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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:20 am    Post subject: Ban on older Cars Reply with quote

If you want to hang onto your cars you'd better sign this and
pass the word on:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk:80/Classic-Cars/?ref=classic-cars
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes - thanks for this Paul.

I've signed it... and so should everyone on here - if you live in UK.

Whilst this is NOT in direct response to a government plan at present, there are attempts to start this in some other countries. A large "turnout" here would make our government think twice about this should they decide to discuss in the future.

My opinion :

1. Classic cars are part of our heritage and history. Who would think about pulling down listed buildings because their 'energy ratings' are less than modern? Based on that we should destroy the house of commons, Big Ben, castles, stately homes, Buckingham Palace etc...

2. Not everyone can afford cars less than 10 years old!

3. These 'initiatives' are all very well (for those who don't care about older cars) whilst the UK economy is doing well. If we went into recession in the future older, cheaper cars would become the workhorse of the UK economy. There would be a massive call for these cars which would become what most people could afford. Are we going to take all these cars and just scrap them? It's like the old arguement about foreign workers coming to fill the current glut of jobs... that's ok WHILE we have a glut of jobs - if the economy downturns - these are tomorrow's unemployed, rioting, stealing problem.

(Just a note here to say, I'm not a Xenophobe... but that's how I see things could go)

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Signed it.

Yep, it looks like they'd rather more dirty great SUVs were produced to replace our lightweight classic cars.

I'm sure my 14 year old catted 33 produces less alleged 'green house' gasses per mile than the wifes relatives new Volvo XC90 and Land Rover Discovery.

Hopefully there are still some influential old-school duffers in the houses of parliment and lords, with E-types and old Astons tucked away.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Done It.
Same thing happened in Germany and they had to do a U-Turn on their policy to get rid of the older car.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I signed as well and passed onto a few friends, maybe the government should think of improving emissions on old cars by subsidising lpg modifications
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigAl wrote:
maybe the government should think of improving emissions on old cars by subsidising lpg modifications


Not certain, but i think they do. There is a grant or somink i fink.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigAl wrote:
I signed as well and passed onto a few friends, maybe the government should think of improving emissions on old cars by subsidising lpg modifications


I think the government should just f'off until they find some proof that it's not just a climate cycle which has nothing to with mankind.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbber wrote:
BigAl wrote:
I signed as well and passed onto a few friends, maybe the government should think of improving emissions on old cars by subsidising lpg modifications


I think the government should just f'off until they find some proof that it's not just a climate cycle which has nothing to with mankind.

Bob

I'm with you up to the 'until'...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signed

what a great place we live in:twisted:
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john 33_16v, do you have anymore info on this??
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigAl wrote:
john 33_16v, do you have anymore info on this??


Have a look here - http://www.ceda.co.uk/article8.html found on google.

It looks like the government may have tightened up or even withdrawn the grants. Seeing as they get about 80p a litre (of petrol) off us in duty and VAT, they probably don't want too many LPG conversions in truth.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn, i was hoping you knew something else coz thats all i could find aswell Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Given the nasty rules coming in for vans in London (ie, anything but pretty much the newest ones getting hit for a £200 a day charge), expect older cars to be hammered at some point.

All the best

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also "they" never factor in the fact that a new car takes many many years to make the greenhouse gases created by its production, raw materials, transportation to country of eventual sale etc. average less per year than those of an existing car kept on the road.

Its footprint will probably never catch up with that of an existing car before it is scrapped because no-one can sort out its electronic problems for a reasonable price.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did everyone get their email?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigAl wrote:
Did everyone get their email?
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yeah got mine Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The crazy thing here is - the prime minister is *supposed* to represent us. BUT... I'm pretty sure he can't drive having never passed the driving test.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys,

Reviving this old post as the measure to ban older cars unfortunately is implemented in Greece.

Cars older than 1/1/1996 will be charged with 150 € per year in excess of the already existing annual charges.

Moreover the cars falling in the above category, will be banned to circulate in the city centre as a red sticker will be placed on the windscreen meaning that the car is pollutant for the city centre.

It looks like a measure to further increase the revenue of the state income, boost the sales of new cars now that the economy is supposingly in recession, all in the context of "green city centre" Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it is complete trollops and just making money out of people as the emissions created by the production of a new car far outweigh running an old car for a few years. IT IS GREENER TO USE THE OLD CARS.
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