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JeremyC Gold Cloverleaf
Joined: 06 Sep 2008 Posts: 583 Location: Petersfield, Hampshire
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: Rich running |
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When i idle the car in the morning it seems to run very rich producing quite unpleasant fumes in comparison to our mx-5.
Could this be a Lambda sensor problem _________________ '93 Black 33 1.7 16v |
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john 33_16v 16 Valve
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1406 Location: herts, uk
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
My catted 33 16v is a tad pungent when it's cold and running on 'choke'. But the lambda is ok and the emissions are usually very low at MOT (lower than my old clio which was 10 years newer).
If the lambda is playing up it will run very rich all the time, generally running rough, and often with flatspots and stammers.
Cheers,
John _________________ If it aint broke, fiddle with it until it is!
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Jeremy
I am running my 16v with cat with no lambda correction, as it is knackered, mine also has unburnt fuel smell on idle on cold starts. I know its ok when warm as I recently calibrated mine with no lambda correction connected. _________________ x2 33 16v
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JeremyC Gold Cloverleaf
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Thanks chaps, at least I know it's not a sign of a major problem.
I'll have to start parking nose in so I don't fill the house with fumes in the morning. _________________ '93 Black 33 1.7 16v |
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JeremyC Gold Cloverleaf
Joined: 06 Sep 2008 Posts: 583 Location: Petersfield, Hampshire
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Al, how do you get your car through an MoT? I thought '93 and later had to have a cat irrespective of emissions? _________________ '93 Black 33 1.7 16v |
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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It passed emissions before the lambda died. I'm only running without as it was using too much fuel with lambda connected and my AFM was not calibrated correctly, only found this out when i disconnected the lambda.
Have you tested emissions/CTS/lambda sensor?
You probably already know this but you can clean the lambda by disconnecting the lambda, holding a warm engine at 2k and then adding an air leak until the rpm increases and holding it for about 2 mins, the added heat should clean off the lambda sensor. Thats if its fouled with carbon from rich running. However if it has failed for other reasons like oil silicone you might be better off removing it off and inspecting it. The lambda sensor must be clean on the outside, as it compares the air outside to the air on the inside.
Test the output from your CTS, use the 20k range on the multimeter
Code:
cold hot
2.6ish .28ish New sensor held in header tank
2.6 .23 Old sensor in engine
If your car passes emissions ok then ignore what i have said and i guess live with smell.
_________________ x2 33 16v
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john 33_16v 16 Valve
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1406 Location: herts, uk
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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BigAl wrote: |
You probably already know this but you can clean the lambda by disconnecting the lambda, holding a warm engine at 2k and then adding an air leak until the rpm increases and holding it for about 2 mins, the added heat should clean off the lambda sensor. |
Al, this sounds like a good way to burn out some valves!
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BigAl P4
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Would 2 mins be enough to do that on an engine with no load on it at 2k or slightly above? I would agree if it was done permanently though as it would be running lean all the time and possibly damage pistons?? _________________ x2 33 16v
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