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Daimon7 · Alfa Arna Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 20

Hey guys, i found this on the web.
Can anyone drive down there and get more info on the engine? cause it`s kinda out of my way... Laughing

http://www.autopoint-tuning.co.uk/projects.htm
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Dreamracers · Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject:

*drool*

Where are they? I have looked all over their site and cant find even the remotest hint of their location.
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adh · Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject: Turbo 33

Damon, Dreamracers,

The site mentions their workshop in Thetford, which is in Norfolk.

Having said that, I saw this car in the Paddock at Castle Combe last year for the Alfaracer Championship Round 1, so I reckon there is a good chance that it will be there again this year on August 29th.

http://www.alfaracer.com/html/calendar.html

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Dreamracers · Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:10 pm Post subject:

Cool. Will have to go along, C/Coombe isnt far from me! I'll be going there for the Rally Day in August too - lots of yummy group B stuff there
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Sergio · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:30 pm Post subject:

FANTASTIC!!!!

looks really impressive!!!

all the best

Sérgio
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LDA · Alfa 33 Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 276 Location: France

having looked into boosting a boxer lump myself, i can see what they have done there.

the intake has an extra injector (not a great way to add more fuel but it works)
it has electronic ingnition with no dizzy
must have a stand alone ecu to run the engine.
cams (and prolly springs and solid tappets too.)
defo steel head gaskets
forged pistons and prolly the con rods too. maybe even the crank?
dry sump. good for high revs.
i can see an adjustable fuel presure regulator and i would think the pump is very upgraded too.
oh and not forgettign the turbo, intercooler and exhaust to run the turbo.

a lot of work gone into that engine. to get it running 400ish bhp and then to de tune it, they must be running quite a lot of boost(oh yeh, boost controller). i wonder if the cylinders are larger than 1.7?
i know there was a 2.0 tubro 33 boxer in europe somewhere. it was a road car too! havent seen or heard anything of it in years.

if you wanted to boost your boxer lump on a budget then you could prolly do it for about 3k if you did the build yourself. thats if you want a lump that wont go pop in a week.
if you just want a little bit of boost and you can weld well enough to make your own manifold and exhaust then you could do it for about a grand i think.

L.
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paddy granger · Alfa Sprint Joined: 12 Aug 2003 Posts: 248

Would be interesting to know what kind of rpm it runs at, and what kind of compression ratio they are working with. Seems to be using a Garrett?

LDA · Alfa 33 Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 276 Location: France

most turbos are garret. not all, but most. even many of the after market 'upgrades' are just rebadged or reworked garret turbos.

i'd also love to know what cams they are running and what their upper rpm limit is. and data on the bore and stroke too.

i have found out that it is much easier to stick a subaru engine in a 33 than it is to turbo up the alfa boxer lump. and cheaper.

L.
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tvatavuk · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:32 pm Post subject:

and then you need better subaru brakes, probably wll want its 4x4 also.....
And at the end it is cheaper to buy subaru.
There was one story about subaru engine in 33, after enormus costs of transfering it all, owner decided to sell it very soon.
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paddy granger · Alfa Sprint Joined: 12 Aug 2003 Posts: 248

Guys,

I asked the guy about the car - See his reply below! Cool

"Hi Patrick, to be fair not much on my car is std with comprehesive mods to
just about everything, also it has been very difficult to fit everything in.
brief spec, 16v motor, std modified crank and rods, 1 off je pistons, std
block, std heads seriously reworked with mostly 16v vx valve train, billet
cams and verniers, 1 off ex manifold with equal length primarys to mount
roller bearing turbo behind engine bay, std throttle bodys with custom
wiring loom and DTA engine managment(not 5th inj but other sensors you can
see) std modified inlet plenham, 1 off fuel tank with integral swirl pot,
twin pumps and adj pressure regulator, 1 off dry sump oil system, 1 off
fabricated engine and gearbox mounts, very modified gearbox case with s/c
gears etc.
our car will run up to 320bhp but everything is on the edge particually the
gearbox and driveshafts and 3 race meetings before rebuilds is the
norm(about 100 miles) not a very interesting for a road car.
I would suggest 200bhp for a roadcar and even then the gearbox will be the
weak link.
If you let me know what sort of things you are considering i may be able to
give you some pointers.
regards
ray"

LDA · Alfa 33 Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 276 Location: France

LDA · Alfa 33 Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 276 Location: France

Harri · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:58 pm Post subject:

http://www.alfabbs.fi/album_pic.php?pic_id=1637

http://www.alfabbs.fi/album_pic.php?pic_id=2376

This one is quite nicely built but it has only about 200hp.
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tvatavuk · Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:37 am Post subject:

LDA hope that roof was not bent because of upside down situation, you did check its engine is running?
Anyway good luck with your project. Very Happy

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LDA · Alfa 33 Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 276 Location: France

yeh the car was driven sideways off a road and landed on its roof Shocked

it fell about 8 feet down.

we had the engine running before we paid for it. the sump was cracked but after a strip down there seems to be no more problems than just the sump. no sign of low oil running or any wear on the top or bottom end.
(middle - side.. not sure what to call it in a boxer)

fingers crossed it'll all be sorted for some summer meets.

L.
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LDA · Alfa 33 Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 276 Location: France

Harri · Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject:

It's a Sprint but at least the intake plenum looks like it is from an S3 1.7 8V. Here is the link to all the pics.

http://www.alfabbs.fi/album_personal.php?user_id=144

Here is another Sprint project in Finland. It will have 4X4 from a P4, 16V engine and turbo. Also the roof has been chopped a bit Very Happy

http://www.alfabbs.fi/album_personal.php?user_id=342
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LDA · Alfa 33 Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 276 Location: France

very nice, thanks!

that is a very trick roof mod. i first saw this sort of modding on a clio in france about 8 years ago. the sprint looks like a real italian sports car now Twisted Evil

L.
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izik · Alfa Arna Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 5 Location: israel

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Hi guys

Saw the pics of the Sprint above. Been in the car on track, it is as fast as can be handled as a fwd car. The engine gives some 220hp (documented), it is normal 1,5 boxer with somewhat reduced cams. The turbo is driven with 1.0 bar, std pistons will collapse if more pressure added (he tested Smile

. Turbo is taken from a VW diesel engine and rebuilt. I suppose the car is being rebuilt for this summer, the owner talked about a 1,7 engine last time we saw.

The low Sprint will have 16v engine with all goods one can imagine, screw compressor and a turbo. Forged pistons and carello parts etc. The owner has built inlet manifolds by himself and calculated about 300- 350 hp out of the engine. not heard about the project for 6 months now. He builds some top fuel bikes too, so no doubt this will be a fast car..

Greetings from Finland

TimoJ 33 s2ti under construction (155 ts2.0)

Edward · Alfa 33 Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 307 Location: Bristol

Hi LDA,

regarding the subaru engine into the 33 - which gearbox would you use??? I can image there are pro's and con's for either solution.
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LDA · Alfa 33 Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 276 Location: France

well i was going to use a 75 gearbox but i have found a kit that converts the subaru box to rear drive only. so i'm using the normal wrx box with the rear drive only kit on it.

L.
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Edward · Alfa 33 Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 307 Location: Bristol

That's interesting - as I wanted to stick with front wheel drive, but as the 170 hp in my car is not enough was looking to mate if possible the subaru engine to a 33 box. Starting to research the subaru engine the bell housing configuration doesn't look too different, so mating the centre drive shaft and clutch parts that I imagine would be most interesting part to get right. I really need to get hold of both parts and start to see if they can be mated together. If I can get that part progressed it means that driveshafts and hubs will not change but from what I can see the Subaru block pick up points are quite different, with the majority of support from below the engine.

It looks like the start of an interesting project.
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LDA · Alfa 33 Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 276 Location: France

if you want the wrx engine then you dont want an alfa box. apprently the gearbox wont take much over 200bhp and the lowest power wrx you could get would be 220.

the case should be ok for more so you could get an uprated gearset installed to take the extra power but it would be cheaper to get the wrx box converted to front drive only. and dont forget that you would need a custom bellhousing for the alfa case too.

L.
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