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Box_me2 Alfa Arna
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 22 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:08 am Post subject: clutch! |
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Hey everyone.
Umm ive had my 33 for about 3 years now and i left it for a week then went to start it and notices there was no resistance in my clutch, and my foot sank to the floor. seeming as it was working last time i used it i was a little surprised.
Will i need a new clutch or is something just a little loose?
if i need a new clutch how much?
If its loose how do I tighten it?
cheers.
Joel |
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Ken McCarthy Alfa Sprint
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 153 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:34 am Post subject: clutch! |
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Joel
You should be looking at the hydraulics first. Check the fluid tank under the bonnet. It is a combined tank for clutch and brake but the clutch take-off is above the brake to ensure the brake has priority. If it is low, look for where it is leaking, both clutch and brake. You will need to fix the leak then refill the tank and bleed either or both the clutch and brake hydraulic circuits. If there is clutch fluid on the carpet under the pedals it is most likely clutch or brake master cylinder. Clutch slave cylinder is on top of the gearbox and difficult to get at. Brake slave cylinders are at each wheel plus a brake balance valve above the rear axle.
Too much information?
Good luck, _________________ Ken McCarthy - 16V Sprint |
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Box_me2 Alfa Arna
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 22 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:46 am Post subject: |
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cool thanks!
The fluid was low to very low... ive topped it up.
how do i bleed the clutch? |
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gritsop Green Cloverleaf
Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 766 Location: Ekali, Athens - Greece
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
There is a small bleeding screw on the clutch slave cylinder located in the front of it. It is very close to the big hose that feeds the cylinder with fluid from the small reservoir.
You need to attach a small tube in the screw in order to collect old fliud and prevent it to ruin whatever it spills.
Hope this helps.
Regards, _________________ Thanassis Gritsopoulos
1991 Alfa 33 1.4 IE
2001 Alfa 147 1.6 Distinctive
http://www.alfa-restoration.co.uk
Parts Shop: www.alfa-restoration.co.uk/shop |
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ChrisC Alfa Sprint
Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Posts: 152 Location: Frome
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:45 am Post subject: erp |
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Might be worth finding out why the fluid is low too _________________ Alfa Sprint QV - Gone to a better home and in happier health for it
Silver Lancia Beta HPE Volumex - under restoration |
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Box_me2 Alfa Arna
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 22 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:47 am Post subject: |
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ahh
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Box_me2 Alfa Arna
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 22 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:48 am Post subject: |
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ok so i unscrewed what i think is the bleeding valve small screw in awkward position under the reservoir. now what? a fair bit of fluid came out but it was just draining straight from the reservoir... is this right? now what?!
also having a hard time getting the small screw in the awkward position back in...Y?
thanks again for the help |
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tvatavuk Gold Cloverleaf
Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Posts: 673 Location: Split, Croatia
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Probably wrong screw.
This one he is telling you about is on clutch slave cyl.
And that one is fitted on engine, some 20-30cm to the left (from drivers view) of distributor.
I think it is 7 or 8mm, and it is beeding nipple, which means you don't need to unscrew it all the way off. _________________ Tino Vatavuk
Little black dress which replaced Alfa Romeo 33 S 16v Permanent 4 GMo |
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Box_me2 Alfa Arna
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 22 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:41 am Post subject: AHHH!!! |
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ok!
umm i think i might have some real probs now!
the screw i took out was not the right one! and the reason that it wont go back in is because a small piston or something has moved in the way. now i was informed that i can maybe rectify the problem by applying pressure to the break or something like that... but not too much pressure or ill get air im my break system.
Does anyone know what im talking about?!
any suggestions? how far do i push? do i push am i boned? |
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gritsop Green Cloverleaf
Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 766 Location: Ekali, Athens - Greece
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
You have unscrewed the wrong screw which is the one located in the middle of the brake cylinder (the one with the reservoir on top).
This screw separates the two pistons inside the cylinder which are intended for the front / rear wheels ... Have you taken it out completely?
Regards, _________________ Thanassis Gritsopoulos
1991 Alfa 33 1.4 IE
2001 Alfa 147 1.6 Distinctive
http://www.alfa-restoration.co.uk
Parts Shop: www.alfa-restoration.co.uk/shop |
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Box_me2 Alfa Arna
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 22 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:51 am Post subject: |
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i sure have... its not good is it |
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gritsop Green Cloverleaf
Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 766 Location: Ekali, Athens - Greece
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
It's no good ... However you can release the pressure in the hydraulic system. You can undo the small bolt in the clutch cylinder and having the opportunity to press backwards the piston of the brake cylinder using the screw or using a screwdriver or something.
Just an opinion.
Regards _________________ Thanassis Gritsopoulos
1991 Alfa 33 1.4 IE
2001 Alfa 147 1.6 Distinctive
http://www.alfa-restoration.co.uk
Parts Shop: www.alfa-restoration.co.uk/shop |
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Box_me2 Alfa Arna
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 22 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:02 am Post subject: Ha! |
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HA!
got the screw back in its place!
now back to the original problem bleeding the clutch!
What’s the easiest way to access the nipple im not sure i can even see it!
does someone have a photo? i also downloaded a workshop manual but it seems to be missing the two pages regarding the process of bleeding the clutch. oh yeah i digital book missing digital pages .
thanks for all the help guys. |
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Bellamachinna Alfa 33
Joined: 12 May 2003 Posts: 352 Location: Lisbon-Portugal
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
To locate the bleeding nipple, best option is to get a friend to push the clutch pedal, while you position yourself on the left side of the vehicle.
When pedal is pressed, the slave cylinder, actuates on a fork that engages/desengages the clutch. Its hard to see it, because is almost under the bulkhead.
When you locate the moving fork, you will be also seing the bleeding nipple...Bleed it using a small tube and a reservoir, to avoid spilling the brake fluid.
But WHY is your fluid level to low???
This must be your bigger "headache", right now...If you dont find the leak, you will end up bleeding your clutch every week...
When you locate the slave cylinder, take a look at the rubber that engages/desengages the fork... They usually fail, and cause your type of problem...
Hope this helps
P.Camilo _________________ All'interno della mia macchina, vi sedete, tenete sopra e CHIUDETE IN SU... |
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