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john 33_16v · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:13 am Post subject:

Thanks Keith.

PM sent.

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johnboy · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:30 am Post subject:

I see all the threads on AO have now been removed Rolling Eyes

Edit they've just removed the link in the boxer section so we just forget about it, until it happens all over again yawn
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BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey

no, its been moved to the rant section
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/rant-room/440801-shrew-left-today-11.html
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johnboy · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:21 am Post subject:

Yeah but the links where still in the boxer section yesterday , now there not Evil or Very Mad

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Admin · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:41 am Post subject:

johnboy · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:46 am Post subject:

Morning

Could be true , I'm getting bored of it all now tho. Can't see it changing!
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1997 seadoo gsx 800
1999 freestyle superjet

lee16v · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:16 pm Post subject:

John,
Do what vantastic and I have done then Wink

johnboy · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:20 pm Post subject:

True! Just need to get the rest over here Wink

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1997 seadoo gsx 800
1999 freestyle superjet

Supercharged16v · Alfa Arna Joined: 16 Sep 2013 Posts: 2

Hello mates Smile

johnboy · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:19 pm Post subject:

Hi chris
Welcome aboard Wink

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2002 ts gtv the wifes now
1997 seadoo gsx 800
1999 freestyle superjet

lancsbreaker · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:27 pm Post subject:

Well its prompted me to re-appear on here......I've tried to make some appropriate comments over there (where I'm RGWM) but since the "closed" thread has somewhat pointlessly been moved to the Rant Room, and the subsequent "where now" thread - in which I "might" have suggested that the mod had been autocratic in closing the original thread - seems to have vanished without trace....probably soon to be followed by Alfawoots follow-on thread.....I think the drawbridge has been pulled up. Don't hold your breath awaiting any changes on AO.

Although I have little involvement with Suds at present, although I have a Sud and a Sprint as projects, most people will know that I have a deep involvement in anything Alfa - being the AROC Lancashire Section secretary, and an AROC board member, so I'll try to pop in here more often - especially if its going to get busier Wink

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Supercharged16v · Alfa Arna Joined: 16 Sep 2013 Posts: 2

Good to be here.

on the other forum the mods and other reps don't even want to talk to me anymore :/

Maybe its because I called them dictators and Adolf Hitlers in public ? Confused

johnboy · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:16 pm Post subject:

truth hurts Laughing

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lee16v · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:24 pm Post subject:

How arrogant can they get over there?
Good to see you chaps here though. The more 'heavyweights' of AO that come will surely bring more.
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Edward · Alfa 33 Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 307 Location: Bristol

It does seem somewhat convenient to move things into the backwater of the rant room and then let the link disappear on a time basis. That way it slowly fades from memory.

Anyway, not going anyway near AO for a couple of weeks - a promise I made to myself. Good to see Chris and others already on here as well as people starting to show an interest e.g lancsbreaker.

I think give it a short while and people starting some decent posts and things will start to come to life a bit more.

Anyway, who knows the answer to my end float question....!!!! Laughing

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Adriano33 · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:05 pm Post subject:

Wait!
When did it all go wrong over there at AO?

It's been a few years that i was there, but by the looks of it reading all posts here, it sure has changed into something that's not within the real alfa spirit anymore. Shocked

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johnboy · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:10 pm Post subject:

Hi
It's been bubbling up for a long time now , some of the mods love the power sadly
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kevjtd · Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:49 pm Post subject:

Edward · Alfa 33 Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 307 Location: Bristol

Ok Kev, that is good to know.

Hopefully speaking to the engine builder tomorrow, so should be able to have a conversation about such things hopefully.

The guy always seems to be on holiday - perhaps he is getting paid too much. Sad

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lancsbreaker · Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:36 pm Post subject:

Edward · Alfa 33 Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 307 Location: Bristol

Ok......

Does anyone know much about 33 versus 145 con rods.

The engine builder I am using told me today that the torque setting for a 33 16v rod bolt are notably less than for a 145/145 (1.7) con rod bolt. His suggestion is that either 145/6 conrods or the bolts are better/stronger.

Does anyone know if this is the case?

Would be good to have the best bolt rod combination for what is going to be a track day engine.

Can you let me know what you know.....
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Guest · Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:31 pm Post subject:

part numbers for con rods, bolts and pistons are exactly the same for 33 and 145/146 boxer so not sure where he got that information from. Its basically exactly the same engine with a few minor differences, most notably the 145/146 has a different ignition system, coil packs instead of coil and distributor. Inlet cams on late 33 16v and 145/146 16v boxer are also different to earlier 16v, something to do with emissions I think

Edward · Alfa 33 Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 307 Location: Bristol

Ahh... that is really helpful thanks.

I am now starting to wonder if he was perhaps looking up a table for the 1.8 and 2.0L 145/146 engines.

He did mention 32-35 ft lb for the 33 16v engine and 37-43 ft lb for the other. That is a marked difference - so I am now beginning to wonder if it is the later (straight 4) engines that he had somehow cast his finger over. Easily done if Alfa engines are not your speciality.

I will ring him and see if that is the potential error.

Thanks, E.
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Edward · Alfa 33 Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 307 Location: Bristol

Okay... after a few questions to a few people they are going to be torqued up to 48nm. Fingers crossed...... Smile

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Guest · Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:00 pm Post subject:

correct torque setting for 16v con rod bolts should be 53NM then 58NM / 5.4kgm then 5.9kgm

Those settings come from the Alfa Romeo Direzione Assistenza Tecnica 16v engine manual