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tboy823 Alfa Arna
Joined: 15 Sep 2013 Posts: 15 Location: South Wales
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:49 pm Post subject: Gold Cloverleaf |
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Ok, so here's the first of probably many questions.
I reckon i'm in for a new clutch assembly , I have a 1.7 8v engine from a 33 and the original gearbox from the 1.5 sud engine.
Please could someone post a link to a suitable replacement clutch on eBay or somewhere similar - as I know diddly squat about stuff like this .
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eagle3 Alfa 33
Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 402 Location: France
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tboy823 Alfa Arna
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Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Brilliant - thanks Eagle3
Just to continue my education in clutches, what determines what will suit each different setup, is it engine size (cc), or is its related to the physical size of the clutch ie 200mm, 24 teeth
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eagle3 Alfa 33
Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 402 Location: France
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Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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That ebay site doesn't think that kit works for a 1.7, but I'm sure they're the same. Maybe they were thinking of the 1.7 16V. I dunno.
I'm pretty sure they're compatible with the engine and box. Might be worth checking Justsuds. They might even be cheaper.
Incidently that sud gold cloverleaf box is very long-legged. There are much shorter boxes if you don't like it. Or you could just change the final drive cog.
If you're taking the box off it's a good time to fix any problems with the inboard brakes. They're a bit of a nightmare to work on with the box in situ I'm told. _________________ Alfa33 QO 1984
Alfa33 1.3i.e. 1994 |
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johnboy 16 Valve
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 1061 Location: margate U.K
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Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Hi chaps
I think there all the same , I've got an ap racing clutch in my 16v from I think a 1.5 Sud engine ! Never had any trouble with it _________________ WODA WE NEED? MORE POWER!!
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2002 ts gtv the wifes now
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tboy823 Alfa Arna
Joined: 15 Sep 2013 Posts: 15 Location: South Wales
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Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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so any 200mm, 24 teeth will be ok? |
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tboy823 Alfa Arna
Joined: 15 Sep 2013 Posts: 15 Location: South Wales
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Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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eagle3 wrote: |
Incidently that sud gold cloverleaf box is very long-legged. There are much shorter boxes if you don't like it. Or you could just change the final drive cog.
If you're taking the box off it's a good time to fix any problems with the inboard brakes. They're a bit of a nightmare to work on with the box in situ I'm told. |
thanks for that
Can you give a description of long-legged please, what characteristics should I be looking for ? and what will a different final drive cog offer?
Is changing a clutch something I can do myself? I might be in a position to get on a lift in a mates garage, but how much time should I be looking at taking - bearing in mind it will need to be on and off in one session?
I think the calipers are ok, but may take the opportunity to change the handbrake cable.
thanks again |
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Admin Site Admin
Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 1223 Location: Stafford, UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
Long legged = high gearbox and / or diff ratios. So you are doing less rpm for a given road speed and gear (or put another way, you have less torque at the wheels for a given road speed and gear).
Changing the clutch is something you can do yourself, but is a pain of a job and will take some time. You need to drop the engine out really (is possible to do by supporting the engine and taking the gearbox off, but probably harder with home equipment).
All the best
Keith _________________ I owe, I owe, its off to work we go.
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Blueskev Alfasud
Joined: 12 Jul 2012 Posts: 33 Location: Kent
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Ive spend a lot of time looking at clutches on ebay! As far as I can tell, there are two types, 180mm for small engined suds and 200mm that fit everything else including the 16v. A lot of sellers have different listings for different models, but when you read the detail, they are all 200mm with 24 splines.
Good luck! Its not a job Im looking forward to doing.
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tboy823 Alfa Arna
Joined: 15 Sep 2013 Posts: 15 Location: South Wales
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Kev , thanks for that, how long are you thinking the whole job might take? and which make of clutch are you going for? |
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Ian M Green Cloverleaf
Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Posts: 911 Location: Bath Somerset
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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I have done clutches in the past (not done one for a few years now) not easy on your own but can be done.
Time wise your looking realistically at five to six hours (or more) if it's your 1st time and you're on your own.
My best was about 4 1/2 hours, on the floor with axle stands and a couple of trolley jacks.
As Keith said the best way is to drop the engine out but I always done it by just taking the box off and supporting the engine.
There is a step by step on here somewhere I think, might be worth doing a search. _________________ Presntly own
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fluffyduff Alfasud
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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The first time I did my clutch I dropped the box and left the engine in place. It was a nightmare, I felt like setting the thing on fire by the time I was done. I just couldn't lift the gearbox back into place.
I'd definitely be in the "drop the engine and box together" camp. It's much easier and a lot less hassle in the long run. |
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Blueskev Alfasud
Joined: 12 Jul 2012 Posts: 33 Location: Kent
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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tboy823 wrote: |
Hey Kev , thanks for that, how long are you thinking the whole job might take? and which make of clutch are you going for? |
Hi tboy, Im planning to drop the engine and box out together and while they are out do the cam belts etc. Ive not done anything this big before so Im going to do it over several weekends.
I had sort of decided on a QH clutch for about £80 but eagle3's comment makes me wonder if the extra £50 for a Sachs would be the way to go.
Make sure its a three piece kit though, not a two piece.
Regards,
Kev. |
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Oggie Green Cloverleaf
Joined: 06 Mar 2008 Posts: 811 Location: Whitehill
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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If your not worried about a budget I'd go for a Helix clutch , they are by far the best clutch I have used and I have eaten a few lol. _________________ PHAT 33 |
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john 33_16v 16 Valve
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1406 Location: herts, uk
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:52 am Post subject: |
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+1 for engine and box out together.
If you can make a trolley for the engine you can lower the car/engine onto the trolley and then lift the car over the engine. I've done this single handed.
Decent jacks and a few pairs of stands would help- not the cr*p jack in my picture
Removing the oil filler tube helps with clearance
John _________________ If it aint broke, fiddle with it until it is!
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tboy823 Alfa Arna
Joined: 15 Sep 2013 Posts: 15 Location: South Wales
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks all
I may have the use of a proper lift in my mates garage, and possibly some interested mechanics that may lend a hand, but will need to be on and off within a day.
should be do-able I reckon, just gotta motivate myself now |
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eagle3 Alfa 33
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tboy823 Alfa Arna
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for that eagle.
I don't do French, but as they say 'a picture speaks a thousand words'
cheers |
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