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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:03 am    Post subject: Recaro seat base has collapsed Reply with quote

Anyone else had this happen?
Easy fix?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Presumably the hessian/rubber seat webbing has perished and torn? This is a fairly common problem but luckily replacements are available. The 33 Recaro seats are called LS-C and are also found in a number of 1990s Fords such as the Sierra Cosworth/ Fiesta RS Turbo/ Escort RS Turbo. There is a guy on ebay who sells replacement webbings fairly cheaply. I have them on my seats and they work fine:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sierra-Rs-Cosworth-Recaro-Seat-Pan-Has-Yours-Snapped-Price-For-Pair-Seat-Pans/163955307621?hash=item262c7f7465:g:Z4MAAOSwUFtZa2eD

or you can get genuine Recaro webbings here (considerably more expensive):

https://www.capitalseating.co.uk/recaro-seat-webbing

If the original webbing has been deteriorating for a while you can sometimes find that the base foam starts to get damaged, if you need one they are available here:

https://www.capitalseating.co.uk/recaro-seat-base-foam-specialist-expert-njoy-l

Its a fairly straightforward job to dismantle the seat to replace the webbing but you will need to remove the runner from the base to allow access to the fixings. If you need any help with how to dismantle the seat to replace the base foam let me know and I can talk you through it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one rich
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you put this twice
"If the original webbing has been deteriorating for a while you can sometimes find that the base foam starts to get damaged, if you need one they are available here:"
instead of a link to
"or you can get genuine Recaro webbings here (considerably more expensive):"

also need the bottom right side vinyl, as mine has split
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry, here's the link to the original Recaro webbing (I'd get the ones from ebay though as they're more robust and much cheaper):

https://www.capitalseating.co.uk/recaro-seat-webbing


I would suggest you find an automotive upholstery supplier and either take them or send them a sample of the vinyl you need and they should be able to find you something that will match. Vinyl is pretty cheap in general so it shouldn't cost you too much. I would suggest you try this company as a starting point:

https://www.martrim.co.uk

You could have a look through their automotive vinyls and you can request samples if you find anything that looks similar to what you're looking for. Any decent automotive upholsterer should be able to make you a replacement bolster cover.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iv'e been thinking of swapping the seats over until i get the replacement bit, Iv'e seen this in Alex's car and the back adjusters are easier to get to and just fit between the handbrake housing.
I'm considering swapping the vinyl of the seats over for a black cloth or similar to alcantara to match the flocking of all plastic/vinyl in the car, what do you think.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to swap the damaged base over to the passenger side there are 2 ways to do it. You can either just swap the subframes from one seat to another or you can separate the backrests and swap them over, there's probably not much difference in time or labour, both methods would require you to remove the seats from the car. You will need to remove the subframes to replace the webbings though.

A decent automotive upholsterer would be able to do whatever you want with regards to materials so if you want to go for a partial re-trim you can choose whatever you like. You should be aware that whilst trimming materials like vinyl and fabric are quite cheap, there is a lot of skill and labour involved in trimming and therefore the job becomes very expensive. I would imagine you could source the material and have a replacement bolster made for around £100-150 whereas if you wanted to chose a different material for the outer parts of the seats I'm sure you'd be looking at £1000-1500, possibly more. I have just started learning to do upholstery and by the time you have unpicked a section of seat, made the patterns, cut the material out and sewn it all together it can be a lengthy (and therefore costly) process.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I'll just swap the seats over until i get a replacement.
I was hoping that there would be off the shelf kits available for the seats in whatever materials.... anyone know?
I just found out my workmate is a seamstress and can do the things i need, so when i swap the seats over, i could remove the broken part and get her to make one.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only off the shelf kits I've seen are here:

https://www.lseat.com/products/recaro-ls-c-benz-porsche-vw-ford-nissan-custom-real-leather-seat-covers-front.html

supposedly their quality is good but I can't vouch for them personally. You'd need to ensure you got the correct type if that was what you wanted to do, Recaros of this era were modular so you could have different combinations of backrest styles and bases. The 33 Recaros are called LS-C so the backrest is LS and the base is C. If you look at something like the Recaros from a Mk2 Golf GTI you will see that the backrest is the same as the 33 Recaros but the base is different, the Golf seats use a B base and the seats would be referred to as LS-B. On a similar note if you look at the Recaros from a Lancia Delta Integrale 8v/16v/Evo 1 you will see that the backrest is different to the 33 Recaros but the base is the same, these are known as LX-C.

Your workmate should just about be able to make the bolster cover on a domestic sewing machine but its unlikely you'd be able to do the top stitching as the material would become very thick at this stage and usually more than a domestic machine can handle. If you talk to them about top stitching French Seams they will probably understand. You really need a walking foot industrial sewing machine for upholstery so you'll probably need to go to a trimmer.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking my workmate could do a new replacement seat webbing.
Thanks for the info, shame there's no one based in the U.k
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not just buy them from eBay? The materials are proven, they’re ready to fit and they’re £17 each or £28 for a pair, it won’t get any easier or cheaper than that.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Rich,
Just to confirm that the ones you linked to had/have 5 cut outs?
and this one will fit
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Escort-Rs-Turbo-S2-Rs-Cosworth-Fiesta-Rs-Turbo-Seat-Pan-Has-Yours-Snapped/164436399550?hash=item26492c55be:g:ZX0AAOSwPfBeI2p6
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nm, i took the seats out and had a look, it is 5
I swapped the seats over, had to swap the seat bases as well, i prefer this as the seat back adjuster is now easier to get to in the middle
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