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Mixsynth

I've now got the 16V engine fitted in the Veloce engine bay. I've discovered a problem I hoped I wouldn't encounter, but I have - the Series 2 radiator fan won't fit because it fouls against the cam cover. See (sorry about the slow loading):

The framework just won't fit with the larger cam cover. It's funny, because I've seen pictures of people's series 2 conversions with the 16V in and the original fan there also. Wonder how they got it to work - I'm buggered if I know how to do it Confused

Anyway I'm going to have to fit aftermarket fan(s) to the FRONT, blowing INWARD, as there's no better location. My all important question: where can I get aftermarket fans from? Needless to say it's not something I've ever looked for.
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Hugh B
'98 145 QV
'89 33 1.7 16V Veloce SportWagon (in hibernation)
16V conversion pics/videos - now updated with extra pictures and explanations

graeme · Alfasud Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Posts: 64

Can't you just fit a series 3 fan Question

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16v p4 In pieces.

Mixsynth · Posted: Sat May 03, 2003 7:54 pm Post subject:

graeme · Alfasud Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Posts: 64

OK. How about a Series 3 fan AND radiator Question

Surely that must work unless the series 2 metalwork is different.
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graeme · Alfasud Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Posts: 64

Oh I see

Is the problem that on the Series 3 the radiator is mounted forward of the front cross member, and on the series 2 it isn't Question

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Gary UK · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 2:10 am Post subject:

MK5/6 Escort radiator fans are about 4cm deep, u'd need to fabricate a bracket but they are easily avaliable.

Mixsynth · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 2:38 am Post subject: Re: Series 2 fan

Matt C

This seems to work fine Wink

sorry about image quality, it's an old photo and i was using my mobile phone Laughing

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Jas · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 5:25 am Post subject:

I have 2 fans Fitted - 1 inner and 1 outer. It's a 1.7 8V conversion on a 1.5 box in an 86. I haven't made any brackets as yet and they are held on by cable ties **shrinks into chair and pulls face**. No, the cable ties didn't melt after 20,000. Km's of procrastination. The fans were given to me and I don't know what they came out of. I have a low temp switch fitted too. All works beautifully.
I can't post any pics on the forum so I sent some to your email.

-Jas

Jas · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 5:29 am Post subject:

ha, by the time i posted mine, matt's had just been posted. Looks like a way better job than my half arsed, half finished job.

-Jas

Matt C

stumbled across a pic of my engine while trying to find the other.
Being this shinny it's easily good for 500HP+ Laughing

if your engine is clean it makes it alot easier to find any sort of oil leak and it's much more pleasant to work on. Plus it goes faster

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Sergio · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 8:23 am Post subject:

I wish my engine looked like that... Sad

Mine looks so ugly... the only thing that is clean is the inlet manifold...

Matt, would you like to clean mine Smile

(just a thought Smile

)

all the best

Sérgio

Scott Sander · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 9:51 am Post subject:

must start scanning in pics of my motor, and post them Razz

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Lee · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 10:24 am Post subject:

Hugh, try Demon Tweeks for Kenlowe fans. They stock them.
Lee
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Mixsynth · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 11:03 am Post subject:

It's funny just spoken to my dad and he mentioned Kenlowe... must be a sign Razz

Jas, I got the pictures. That solution looks fine, who cares about the cable ties. As long as they cool the thing down it doesn't matter. Would you not get away with just one fan though?

Matt's solution looks very pro. It must get hot there!! Razz

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Hugh B
'98 145 QV
'89 33 1.7 16V Veloce SportWagon (in hibernation)
16V conversion pics/videos - now updated with extra pictures and explanations

Matt C · Posted: Sun May 04, 2003 1:20 pm Post subject: radiator

In relation to your Harmonic balancer and radiator, the gap is a little small and make changing pulleys somewhat near impossible. here is a cheap and easy fix.
Simply cut on the red lines and fold on the yellow. Fold steal under.
2 whole minutes with a hacksaw and hey presto, take care not to get to excited with the saw as you will soon have a leak!
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Ken McCarthy · Guest

A maker of the sort of fans you need is Davies Craig in Australia. Have a look at http://www.daviescraig.com.au. They should ba available through most of the aftermarket shops such as Repco, Autobarn, Super Cheap (you are in Sydney aren't you?). You will need two 10 inch fans. If I get a chance, I will look up a model number for you. They are the same fans as on the air conditioning condensers on the Series 3 in the front guards (I don't know about Series 2).

When I did my Sprint, I had the option of putting the fans in front of the radiator or moving the radiator forward. I chose to move the radiator forward about 50mm, which was a bit tricky but not all that difficult.

Regards

Ken McCarthy (Brisbane) - 16V Sprint

Guest · Posted: Mon May 05, 2003 1:42 am Post subject:

Sorry, I've just looked at your entry again and see that you are in the UK. Davies Craig fans may still be available there.

Regards

Ken McCarthy

Gary UK · Posted: Mon May 05, 2003 1:53 am Post subject:

Matt are they b4 and after picures of your engine then Question

Matt C · Posted: Mon May 05, 2003 3:42 am Post subject:

Nope!!

thats actually Mixsynth's Engine bay, he sent me the pic because he was concered about how close the pulley was to the radiator.
So i attacked it in Paint Laughing

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Mixsynth · Posted: Mon May 05, 2003 9:44 am Post subject:

Yes, I plead guilty, it's mine! Rolling Eyes

I've cleaned the heads but not paid the block much attention, so far.

"Add supercharger here"... (Homer voice) mmmmm... pooweerrrr... Cool

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Hugh B
'98 145 QV
'89 33 1.7 16V Veloce SportWagon (in hibernation)
16V conversion pics/videos - now updated with extra pictures and explanations

Mixsynth · Posted: Mon May 05, 2003 1:58 pm Post subject:

Does anyone know what the CFM rating of the standard series 2 radiator fan is?
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Hugh B
'98 145 QV
'89 33 1.7 16V Veloce SportWagon (in hibernation)
16V conversion pics/videos - now updated with extra pictures and explanations

Guest · Posted: Mon May 12, 2003 11:20 am Post subject:

There are loads of aftermarket companies that do radiator fans. They start at about 9" diameter I think. Look in the back of Kit Car magazine fro plenty of adverts. Personally, I reckon you would be better moving the rad forwards. Pull type fans are more efficient than push versions...
Online, you could try merlin motorsport...
Rich
http://www.ricola.co.uk