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RpmHead
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 Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 10:46 pm Post subject: Electronic injection |
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Hi!
I'm thinking of installing a modern data injection in my 16V. Have been looking at the DIY type called MegaSquirt. Since the engine allready has separate throttlebodies from factory the conversion will be quite cheap, I hope.... But the probmen is the TPS (Throttle Position Sensor). I have to exchange it with a fully linear one, because the ML4.1 type just has some fixed step. Any tips?
Have any of you converted from the ML4.1 to a modern type without the air restricting AFM?
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alfistjen
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RpmHead
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Hi Paul!
I was thinking about MegaSquirt, it's a DIY kit.
www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html or the AVR-based http://www.vems-group.org/
Any experiences?
Regards,
Stian
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lesthegringo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:41 pm Post subject: TPS |
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You can buy a decent throttle position sensor for about €40, but the Emerald M3D system I bought came complete with one.
have a look
www.alfasprint16v.fws1.com
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Edward
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Hello,
Yes you can have a seperate throttle position switch that is quite easy to obtain, my engine is very similar to the one that Les describes on his site except I kept the original throttle bodies and have an MBE system for the mapping. I did have to buy a seperate TPS as mine did not come with one. I obtained mine from Omex, but you have to make a seperate little mounting plate to fit the TPS onto the spindle. Half an hour with some tin snips, a drill and some small files whilst waiting for the kettle to boil for a second time was enough to do it. Let me know if you want the Omex part number.
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RpmHead
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: TPS |
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| lesthegringo wrote: |
You can buy a decent throttle position sensor for about €40, but the Emerald M3D system I bought came complete with one.
have a look
www.alfasprint16v.fws1.com
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Hi, Les. Very nice site you got there, been there many times.
But what is the reason that you have been using the ekstra intake
plates from the carb version under the original throttlebodies? http://www.alfasprint16v.fws1.com/images/sprint006.jpg
Have you been doing the mapping on a dyno?
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RpmHead
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Edward wrote: |
Hello,
Yes you can have a seperate throttle position switch that is quite easy to obtain, my engine is very similar to the one that Les describes on his site except I kept the original throttle bodies and have an MBE system for the mapping. I did have to buy a seperate TPS as mine did not come with one. I obtained mine from Omex, but you have to make a seperate little mounting plate to fit the TPS onto the spindle. Half an hour with some tin snips, a drill and some small files whilst waiting for the kettle to boil for a second time was enough to do it. Let me know if you want the Omex part number. |
Hi, Edward.
Have you got any pictures of your engine that I can take a look at?
If I'm correct the original TPS have just got three positions or so.
Can I use it with a ex. MBE or do I have to use a linear type of TPS?
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Sprintervention
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:57 pm Post subject: 16V Throttle Bodies on 8V |
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Anyone know what would be involved in getting the 16V throttle bodies to match up to an 8V engine? I would envisage that the bolt pattern is different, but an adapter plate may do it. Any ideas or information on the standard 16V bodies?
I am going to try and get a megasquirt ECU to control them, but I need to get them to fit first. I know that the Alfa TPS is not up to the job but I am sure that a linear TPS could be retro-fitted fairly easily.
Having looked into the Megasquirt ECU it seems to me to be a pretty effective tool and definitely the cheapest method of getting programmable injection on an Alfa.
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The BOSCH TPS No 0280 122 001 is what you need for a Megasquirt conversion.
You can use this part off an Opel (Vauxhall to the brits) Vectra 2.0 -95 etc or from most Volvo 850 engines. |
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RpmHead
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| Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Edward wrote: |
| Let me know if you want the Omex part number. |
Hi Edward!
Yes, please give me the OMEX part number.
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RpmHead
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| Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Anonymous wrote: |
The BOSCH TPS No 0280 122 001 is what you need for a Megasquirt conversion.
You can use this part off an Opel (Vauxhall to the brits) Vectra 2.0 -95 etc or from most Volvo 850 engines. |
Is this TPS just bolt-on or do I need to make som sort of an adapter plate?
I'm also looking at the Ford EDIS distributorless conversion (Megasquirt'n'spark extra), anybody know how many notches it's on the flywheel for the crankshaft position sensor on the 16V?
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Sprintervention
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:23 pm Post subject: EDIS crank sensors |
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I have done some pretty deep research into some of this. Helps when you have a complete wiring loom and 16V motor on the workshop floor. Firstly the 16V motor has a 60-2 crank toothed wheel. 60 positions, 2 missing.
As far as I know the Megajolt EDIS system will only configure to a ford timing wheel, 36-1 I think from memory, I have two Megajolt systems made up. I was going to Megajolt an 8V race motor that I have but got a 16V motor intead.
As far as the TPS is concerned I don't know whether it is bolt-on but I would like to know as I intend to install the engine with the standard injection set-up, then install EDIS then Megasquirt with TPS sensing. The only problem is that the Motronic AFM has the air temperature sensor built into it, any suggestions?
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: EDIS crank sensors |
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I have done some pretty deep research into
only problem is that the Motronic AFM has the air temperature sensor built into it, any suggestions?
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Thank you for the reply.
Regarding the air temp sensor in standard AFM you have to mount an external sensor when using the Megasquirt inj. Just use a standard Bosch sensor (just a thermistor) and place it in either the airbox og air pipe. |
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RpmHead
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: EDIS crank sensors |
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Thank you for the reply.
Regarding the air temp sensor in standard AFM you have to mount an external sensor when using the Megasquirt inj. Just use a standard Bosch sensor (just a thermistor) and place it in either the airbox og air pipe. |
Sorry, forgot to log in. 
And I meant GM (AC Delco), not Bosch. Sorry for the mess.
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