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jmmoss

Hi again, sorry more questions!

In my owners manual of my 1.5 Quadrifoglio oro (which I think is Cloverleaf Gold) it list the specs of two variartions of the 1.5 33: the Gold Cloverleaf and the Green Cloverleaf (Quadrifoglio Verde).

The specs are identical (2 carbs. Cubic capacity 1490, bore, stroke all the same), but the power output is 95bph for the Gold Cloverleaf and 105bph for the Green Cloverleaf. How is the 10bph power increase acheived for the Green Cloverleaf? Is it different carbs? Can I upgrade my 33 to the 105bhp spec?

Also, I thought the Cloverleaf badge was reserve only for the most powerful cars of the Alfa range. Why therefore do the 1.5 33's carry the badge and not exclusively the 1.7 33's? Sorry for the questions but I am confused! Thanks
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Alfa 33 4c 1.5 Gold Cloverleaf 1987
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Ben_nz · Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:02 am Post subject:

The 1.5 engine was originally the largest and most powerful, so it got the cloverleaf badge. They brought out the 1.7 engine in the series 2 models, so the cloverleaf badge got stuck on that instead. Wink

And then in the series 3 models they had the 1.7 16V engine and 4WD, so the cloverleaf badge got taken off the 1.7 8V models and bumped up to the fastest 33s again.

I think the 1.5 Gold Cloverleaf models sometimes came with a few bits that no other model afterwards ever got, namely handy voltage and oil pressure gauges and groovy trip computer! Very Happy

Buck Bundy · Alfasud Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 68 Location: Anglesey

You were right, the extra 10bhp comes from different heads - hotter cams, better porting, and, I think, bigger valves.

I think another very significant difference between a 33 Gold Cloverleaf and 33 Green Cloverleaf was the gear/final drive ratios with the Green Cloverleaf being much sportier.

Gold = Comfort
Green = Sporty

Buck

P.s. Does the revival of the GTA name mean an end to the Cloverleaf name (at least for the moment)?
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Adrian (melb) · Alfa Arna Joined: 15 Mar 2003 Posts: 10

Yeah, the gold has less "paper" power but when you drive one side by side the hotter cams are only really useful in the last 1500 revs, Around town the 95bhp is a better drive, but the 105 will pull away in a straight. Having said that the 1.7ti carb is the bomb Smile

(ive owned all three in my car, 95, 105, and 117bhp engines Rolling Eyes

should i cry or laugh i dont know

Adrian (melb)

ak863 · Guest

btw, all cloverleaf of series 3 are using 4 wheel drive?
or only the P4 variations?

Rolle · Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:55 pm Post subject:

ak863 · Guest

therefore 140 horsepower all in front wheel drive..
this sounds interesting...

Rolle · Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:41 pm Post subject:

jmmoss · Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:06 am Post subject:

Thanks for the replies guys, but still a little confused:

They made 1.7 33's before 1987, I have seen them for sale 1985 models onwards. So my 1987 1.5 Gold Cloverleaf would not have been the most powerful of the range at the time - the 1.7 TI would have been, so why did the 1.5 not have the lesser "TI" badge and the 1.7 the Cloverleaf badge? Cheers!
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Alfa 33 4c 1.5 Gold Cloverleaf 1987
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Maze123 · Alfasud Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 73 Location: Denmark

According to my information, the cloverleaf-symbol (QV) stands for the sporty models. It has nothing to do with the engine, thus I haven't heard about the golden cloverleaf before. But it seems logical, that the golden cloverleaf is equal to comfort! The QV, or cloverleaf, models have some small skirts, a different interior and in most cases also fog-lights. I think there are a few more differences, but I cant remember...
Well, that's what I think! Correct me if I'm wrong... Wink

Mads
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alfaqv33 · Alfasud Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 44

the difference between the qv and the qv s in the series 3 is only de wheels. The qv s has the same wheel als the perminent 4 and without the s the wheels are the originel speedlines

after 1992, the qv s wasn't selling anymore. the normal qv got always the perminent 4 wheels or you could choose the speedlines.

Rolle · Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:36 pm Post subject:

Rolle · Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:42 am Post subject:

alfaqv33 · Alfasud Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 44

i didn't know that also a 33 p4 S is made

But in holland where i came form is the difference only the wheels, you could check me on www.autotrader.nl

And also, my brother had the normal qv and i have the qv s, and we couldn't find any difference beside the wheels.

But the italian guys are very strange..........

Rolle · Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:34 pm Post subject:

tone · Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:33 am Post subject:

does the 1988 1.7 ti ( carbed ) have any diffrences to a standard 1.7 carbed , ( if there is such thing as a standard carbed 1.7) or was all carbed 1.7s badged ti
i went to see one claimed to be a ti ( greenclover) but it had aria condizioner or something on the left i thought strange for a green clover, --have just read the other topic on this badge!
are they ment to have the black doorposts like the 1.5 ti , and a diffrent grille. and should it have headlamp washers ?
it had the bright red ti carpets . i will check on the engine and chassis numbers , what should they be on this model.?

loui · Alfasud Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 29 Location: Scotland

I have the original sales brochures here for the Mk2 33 1988

The 1.7Ti engine has a longer stroke and slightly wider piston.
stroke/bore 1.7 84/67.2 1.7Ti 87/72.2
So the 1.7Ti is slightly quicker and faster. Nothing to impressive.
Listed as 2mph faster in top gear and 0.2 seconds quicker to 60mph.
Looks like the 1.5Ti and the 1.7 share the same engine bloke. Different cylinder heads making up the cc.

The other differences are cosmetic.
Deeper body kits and colour coordination in the grill. Black door posts are on the 1.7 saloons. The 1.5's and the estates have body coloured posts. Cloverleaf and 1.7 Veloce both appear to have red carpets.

Headlight washers are not listed as an option on the range.
Options for all cars were 5 spoke alloys, sunroof, metallic paint and a radio.

Buck Bundy · Alfasud Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 68 Location: Anglesey

When the 1.7 33 first came out in the UK there was a 4 model 33 range.

33 1.5 Ti
33 1.5 Veloce
33 1.7 Cloverleaf
33 1.7 Veloce

The only difference the Veloces had was a bodykit. The 1.7 had a bit more equipment than the 1.5.

With the later cars, all P4s in the UK as far as I am aware were "33S 16v 'cloverleaf' Permanent 4" (The cloverleaf being the green cloverleaf symbol). They all had the same wheels.

The P4 wheels did find themselves onto the normal 16v 2WD model but I think that was just Alfa using up the wheel stock and trying to make things interesting (confusing!). I don't think they were badged any differently here, but other importers might have wanted to make the change more apparent for marketing reasons.

Hope that helps

Buck
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