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BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey

Hey Dr 33, its nopt that either lol Smile

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BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey

Hey Dr 33
Its not that either Laughing

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Oggie · Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject:

Worn out ignition key?
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BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey

hey Iain,
nop not that either Smile

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Dr A. 33 1.5IE · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject:

What about the earths? Are they clean?
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BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey

Dr 33
well done, you are correct, the earth leads on the engine block clears the problem when wiggled.
Now what prize do you get??? Laughing

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paulhide · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:23 am Post subject:

C'mon Al - basic stuff Exclamation

Lucky you've got Dr.33 helping you. Very Happy

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BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey

Now you don’t think I was secretly asking for help and then pretending that I knew what the problem was are you, shame on you. Laughing

The weird thing it that last year when this happened I took off all the earthing wires and sanded them down, I sanded them down so mush that I took the top coating off and they are copper. When I looked at them last week I noticed that the L plate had rusted and the multi point wires have tarnished. I would have thought that when I sanded down the whole lot and then tightened them up that the contact point would not tarnish or corrode as it’s not exposed. I guess I was wrong, should I coat them in grease thit time?
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lee16v · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject:

Grease will do it Al or a good dollop of Vaseline is good if you ,ahem, have it to hand. Wink

BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey

oi oi lol
i have some molly and wheel bearing grease to hand lol.
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Oggie · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject:

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BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey

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Boxerbeat · Alfa Arna Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 12

A little off topic but it is starter motor related. Years ago on a Sud my starter motor packed up, I had a spare in the shed so swapped it out and all was good for a couple of days and than BAM this one packed up also. Two starter motors in the space of a week.....

Any guesses to what caused the problem Smile

Eddie_W · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:51 am Post subject:

I've had starting probs for ages with the motor turning over too slow if the battery was less than full charge. I buggered around with all sorts of things and in the end, in desperation, I ripped the +tive and -tive main battery leads out of one of my donors and doubled up with the originals. Instant transformation. Without the voltage drop due to resistance in the original leads it spins over like a jappa Rolling Eyes

Just a suggestion.
Regards Eddie
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BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey

Well i had the problem again today, i thought, ill just wiggle the wires, but oh no, nothing got her to start, i even borrowed someone to turn the key whilst i gently tapped on the solenoid.
I used a spare piece of wire and connected the + on the battery to the exciter wire on the starter motor, off it went, so deffo not the starter.
I am now scratching my head again as it has worked since.

Maybe i will remove the earthing wires and check the resistance on it then eddie.
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Boxerbeat · Alfa Arna Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 12

Not sure if your wiring loom is the same as on my base model but if it is have you checked the multipin plugs that connect the engine bay loom to the car.

They are located in the battery bulkhead area on the drivers side beside the heater unit, at least on mine thats where they are. I was surprised when I saw these as suds and Sprints never had them. They do look a potential culprit for corrosion and bad connection issues. Might be worth unplugging them, cleaning all the connections applying some WD 40 and reconnect......could be the problem.

BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey

I think those are on the ser 2. Mine has wires going directly from the battery terminals to the engine block earth and to the positive on the starter motor.
I was confident that it was the earth on the engine block the other week because wiggling them cured the non starting, now it doesnt, go figure.
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Boxerbeat · Alfa Arna Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 12

Mine is a series 3. Although the main power supply leads for the starter are diresct from the battery the wire that activates it from the key will be passing trough the main loom and through these connectors.

BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey

my bad, i thought you were refering to the earthing points that are on the ser 1 and 2, a load of earthing points in a circle, let me put my reading specs on lol.

I did remove the block connectors and wiggle all the wires before, again no difference.

When the problem happens you can see the battery light dim when I turn the ignition key to start the car.
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Oggie · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:28 pm Post subject:

Sounds like a short, or severe battery drainage Al.
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BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey

I believe the battery light dimming is normal, as it happens when there is no problem, looks like power is going to where it should but starter motor doesn't activate.

Its been ok since i last used direct connection from + on battery to exciter wire.
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Eddie_W · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:55 am Post subject:

Battery light dimming is not normal . It indicates a very suspect battery or a major resistence somewhere. I would suggest using jumper leads from +tive to starter and _tive to a good connection on the motor. If it starts instantly it is the main leads at fault.
Regards Eddie
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BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey

hmmmm, I do the + to exciter wire when I cant get it started and it starts no problem.
I had a good wiggle with all the wires today when it wouldn’t start after starting fine first thing. I don’t know if I should temp fate and say it was the exciter wire, I guess I didn’t wiggle it enough.
You wait I’ll be here next week saying it wont start again as I have already done all this in the past, but this time I’m not stripping the starter motor again!!!
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BigAl · P4 Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2992 Location: U.K Surrey

Well i am back with the same problem.